Interview With Tessa Maskell: Part Two

In the final part of our interview, Tessa talks about the Sacred Masculine and Divine Feminine, the balance of power between women and men, sex, Matthew Fox, and I close with some questions inspired by the questionnaire asked at the end of episodes of the TV show "Inside the Actors Studio".

Stewart: Tell me a little about your interest in theologian and author Matthew Fox.

Tessa: I have read everything he's written for years back, and I organized his speaking tour through Great Britain a few months ago.  I suppose I find him very interesting because he speaks a lot about what I'm particularly interested in at the moment: the union of masculine and feminine.  And he, to me, is an example of strong, clear masculine and then lovely feminine with poetry, dancing, music, chanting, the whole lot.  So, I could work very easily with him.  The combination of his masculine and feminine certainly isn't, "I've got all the answers and you need to listen to me"; he loves to work back and forth with people.  Two talks he gave on Good Friday were on The Crucifixion and Resurrection of the Planet, and The Crucifixion and Resurrection of the Cosmic Christ.  And I'm in a particular phase where I'm actually about to start my own blog, and I'm really looking at the dissolution of the old masculine thing, and the emergence of something else.  I'm very fascinated by the Arab Spring in all those countries in the Middle East where people are rising up and saying, "We can't go on like this".  To me, it's a huge symbol of people being fed up with one person controlling everything.  So, Matthew is very interesting to me.  But he's big on how we have crucified the planet, and how we have the ability to resurrect it.  Have you seen the documentary "Thrive"?

Stewart: No, not yet.

Tessa: Well, do check it out.  It's at the grassroots level, Mr. and Mrs. Smith are suddenly waking up and "we've got to do something in a different way on this planet".  It's an interesting video; it's all part of what's going on at the moment.  ("Thrive" features Deepak Chopra, David Icke, Barbara Marx Hubbard and others.)


"Goddess" by junibears, Flickr Creative Commons

Stewart: You were mentioning the Sacred Masculine and Divine Feminine.

Tessa: It's Matthew's view, which isn't popular at certain levels, that we're in the time of the return of the feminine and the feminine principle.  He feels that it is the feminine that's going to bring the "new".  In one talk, he spoke about how the feminine will be the driving force and the feminine needs a consort.  Now that's not exactly everyone's cup of tea, because in one sense he's honoring the feminine, but for a lot of people, for a man to be a consort, they might think, Now wait a minute, what's all that about?  And it's quite interesting when you think about it that we have Queen Elizabeth II with a Diamond Jubilee, and she has a consort, and Queen Victoria had a consort, and here we are in England with all of this ahead of us, believe me.  Matthew's also written a book called "The Hidden Spirituality of Men"--I don't know whether that means the feminine in men--and he's looking for men to be very, very different.  As you probably know, many men have been controlling--and God knows, there is still a lot of that around--and I perceive that it really isn't accurate anymore.  A lot of men are lost, still very lost.  But at least they're a bit more understanding of women.  I was quite interested when he had a go at saying, "It's women who're going to change the world, and they need a consort", and there was a bit of a reaction in the room. 

I think the Sacred Masculine is the Sacred Masculine in me, so Sacred Masculine in Tessa and Divine Feminine.  There's also a piece in the Book of Revelation which interests me greatly: "The spirit and the bride say, Come!"  So, spirit being masculine and bride being feminine; spirit as the masculine and humanity as the feminine.  And of course the body of humanity, ideally, is feminine in worship--not to a man or to men in general, but to the divine; surrender.  So, "The spirit and the bride say, Come!"  Matthew is very big on the Divine Feminine yielding and bringing forth, and men being the consort of the queen.  The fact is, the revelation of what Matthew is about now is the union of masculine and feminine.  So, I haven't read that book, but he's big on the hidden spirituality of men, and on Divine Feminine and Sacred Masculine, ideally in each one of us and I suppose in the world: masculine and feminine in different bodies.  I'm very much into Sacred Masculine and Divine Feminine in ME, in one person.  I mean, you could say, I suppose, divine androgyny, but those are my words, not Matthew's.


"goddess" by Queen of the Universe, Flickr Creative Commons

Stewart: My view is that the world was patriarchal, and that many societies are now much more egalitarian, though elements of patriarchy remain here and there.  In a relationship with a woman, I favor equal sharing, though there are times and instances where one person naturally takes a dominant role, and where this is even desired.  It also depends on the nature of one's being and the quality of one's character.  While patriarchy has had destructive effects, I've thought that one positive effect--if you can call it that--of male dominance over the centuries is that men's ability to protect has helped humankind survive to this point, protecting people from enemies in wars and maintaining a balance in the outer world.  But then wars have generated suffering across the spectrum, including suffering in men, in their hearts and psyches.  And elements of patriarchy have prevented full receptivity to life, its truth, and to the power of love.  I, too, find that part of the nature of this world is to be receptive to Source, and lacking that receptivity, we don't know what we're doing, in my view; there's no idea of why we're here, what the collective...

Tessa: Absolutely.

Stewart: So it does take that, in men and in women, and this is where maturity comes in.  Releasing old, distorted, self-centered patterns and freeing up that energy for new use, the mature masculine in me emerges in concert (or as consort) with the mature feminine elements in me, in the right balance for me.  Then I can do what I'm here to do in concert with you and others.

Tessa: I think, truly, if men yielded to Source and women yielded to Source, you have a basis for going forward and doing things together.  In so much of the world, the feminine subjugated itself to the former masculine, which is a bit of a mess.  But I know I'm beginning to work with men who know what we're talking about, and it's a very different thing now.  There's a very fascinating man named Will Keepin who lives up on the coast near Seattle, and he's a fascinating man because he's doing genuine reconciliation work in relationships between men and women.  I want to work more closely with him.

Stewart: That sounds really good.  I find the union of the Sacred Masculine and Divine Feminine in one person or collectively allows for a care of the whole--including the planet and the whole energetic system of earth and humankind--as well as action in a specific sense, which is both masculine and feminine in nature...the oneness of that.  And so, the whole scope is covered, once there's maturity and union is allowed.
 
Tessa: Yes, union is allowed, you see...I'm fascinated by union is allowed.  It isn't that one (masculine or feminine) is better than the other--it is a dance between both.


"Yin & Yang" by Gnaglor, Flickr Creative Commons

Stewart: Speaking of union, I can see a lack of union between people in the world, and I know that union may be lacking in some of my own relationships, and I have to look at my responsibility in that.  But if there is union lacking--and I think there's a great potential for the union that we were talking about in a mature way--then to that extent, people are actually depriving themselves of a great deal of pleasure.  Part of this wonderful earthly experience is to enjoy the pleasure of it, and if that union is lacking, then we're not having it as good as we could.

Tessa: Absolutely--there has to be union.  I mean, in one sense, there's sex at every level, and we need to recognize that.  I mean, just because one's not 34, when it tends to be more physical.  I have tremendous sexual interactions with people--in the right context.  I mean, everything is sex--I remember someone gave a talk one time about "The Sex Life of Rocks".  Even wielding a vacuum cleaner is a sexual experience!  In other words, there's energy moving between things and people all the time.

Stewart: And that energy is supposed to move, but if there are beliefs that sex is wrong or something, that blocks the energy, and so that creative union can't happen as fully as it could.  Of course, it happens between of a resonance between two people, and it won't happen the same with any two people.  One thing I've had to learn is that there are some people who we may not be able to get along with.  Growing up and being interested in spiritual things, oneness was held to be so important, and oneness is a fact, but that doesn't mean that everybody is going to be able to fit together or get along in the same way or at the same "level".  So, it's been important for me to learn that it's okay not to be close to a certain person, since not all types of vibration and energy resonate well together.  There's the perfect place for everyone and everything, the perfect closeness or distance--it's honoring the design of things.  Now, on to some different questions.  How would you describe your own purpose or purposes in life, and what gifts do you feel you offer others?

Tessa: I'm truly having an increased experience of heaven.  I know I'm here to bring life and bring it more abundantly.  The Bible speaks about the children of Israel crossing from one side of the river Jordan to the other to go into the Promised Land, and how the priesthood stood in the middle and assisted them to go from one state to another.  I think that's part of my job: to assist people to go from one state to the other.  Of course, if I want to beat myself up, I'll ask myself, "Well, how well have I done that?"  But I keep reviewing it and I keep reviewing it.  Sometimes I think, "God, is there anything happening here?"  And it doesn't matter.  One just has to be real, be authentic.  But I'd like to think I was capable of assisting in the energy--which goes back to critical mass--of assisting people on the planet to go from one state to another.

Stewart: That's gorgeous.  I know you've certainly done that, and it's wonderful to see you continuing in that.  What do you think of the world's potential and the potential of people in it?

Tessa: I believe--and there's a belief!--that the world as we've known it is going to pass away, and something else will show itself.  If you think of a compost heap, it all looks terrible and it's breaking down.  But in the middle of it all is brand new fresh material that can be used in the garden--which takes us back to "Being There"!  I do feel that we're well into disintegration.  There need to be enough of us who will inhabit critical mass and start living and behaving differently, and I think it's happening.  I don't know whether it'll be in my lifetime that it will pass away.  I guess, just revealing and behaving in a radiant way, one never knows how far that influence goes.  I always talk about--people laugh, but I talk about infecting the world with right spirit.  Infecting...most people think of the word "infect" in a derogatory way.  But I feel I do infect my world with right spirit.

Stewart: That's great.  One's expression certainly does have an effect.  I'm very interested in living fully and accurately, because I know that that will have some kind of effect, even though I may not be able to see it, and the effects may not show up instantaneously.  But I find it wise to live in that way now, because that sets the stage for what happens tomorrow, and so my idea is that it may make it easier for me or any person to continue in that way.  If their experience is of the same vibration, it may kind of clear the way or shed a little more light on the path.  So, I figure whatever I can do now, today, that will help what's going to happen tomorrow, for me or whoever.  If you could say one thing to people in the world, what would it be?

Tessa: (Laughs) Yeah, yeah.  For one thing, wake up!  Wake up to the fact that there's another world that we could all inhabit together.  You know, in a way, just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  Wake up.  Stewart, do you have a spiritual practice right now?  Is there something that you do that intensifies your experience?

Stewart: Well, what I would say is that it's living, allowing that flow-through.  Being open to life, to spirit, to intuition in myself, and letting that find form in all that I do as fully and clearly as I can.  Meditation is also big for me every so often, just sitting quietly, letting there be a ritual space in which things become still, there's a reordering of energies, perspective clears, and vision increases.  And as a result, what I do afterward is more creative.  Once in a while, I'll join others on a conference call to listen to a spiritual consideration.  My current experience is to live with as few beliefs as possible, which is also kind of a fun exercise, but for me it's all about living it and being.

Tessa: Well, that's what we're asked to do: be.  Being the radiant energy that I am, and that we all are.  To me, being is all about spiritual expression.  I do smile about the phrase spiritual education.  You can't educate spirit, but you can educate your body, mind and heart to express spirit well.  I can remember people talking about us all living in a spiritual community, and somebody said, "What else is there, and why is it a spiritual community?"  It's community expressing spirit, maybe.  But a spiritual community?  What's that?  How is it different from our local village community?

Stewart: That's great!

Tessa: I suppose, back in those days, it had to be said it's a spiritual community, as opposed to any other kind of community.  Thank you, Stewart...this has been a beautiful interview and a lovely exchange of energy.

Stewart: And thank you, Tessa...I've really enjoyed our experience and talking with you about these things!  And now, let's close with your favorite poem by Rabindranath Tagore, "I Dreamt".

     I dreamt....
     and in my dreams, life was joy!

     I awoke....
     and to my sorrow,
     life was service.

     I opened my heart.....
     and behold, my joy became my service!

Tessa: And if we all want to see what we as human beings are really here for, do watch a talk on DVD by Martin Cecil entitled "The Immense Responsibility of Man"...given in 1987!
     Love to all, Tessa


Any and all comments are welcome!  Just click on where it says "comments" below...thanks.

Interview With Tessa Maskell: Part One

Tessa Maskell has worked in Spiritual Leadership for many decades, currently as a trustee with the Wrekin Trust, a British educational charity dedicated to "Spiritual Awakening in our Time".  Tessa is deeply engaged in the emergence of the feminine principle and is profoundly interested in collaborative function, collective intelligence, participative spiritual enquiry and "meshwork", and in unfolding meaning through these modalities.

In Part Two, Tessa speaks about the Divine Masculine and Sacred Feminine, the ending of patriarchy, sex, and more about Matthew Fox.  But to start things off, in Part One, we discuss the state of spirituality now, Christ consciousness, greater human incarnation, the heart cracked open, and letting the vibratory rate increase.



Stewart: What do you think about the state of spirituality today?  It seems to me that, over the last century--especially since the 1960s--there's been a continual increase in the number of people who've been not only interested in more transcendent levels of being but who've accepted and integrated them into all levels of living, and the resultant sharing of our "new selves" with others has magnified the field of creation, again at all levels.  I can see how our experience of this might continue to expand, so that more people might become aware of the possibility of knowing wholeness and so that human consciousness might have the chance of clarifying further, making more space available for any collective purpose that might emerge.  What is your view of where we're at, where we've been, and perhaps where we may be going in a spiritual sense?

Tessa: I'm personally very interested in the reality of the Christ spirit, the reality of Jesus you might say, and there's a quote here from Walter Wink (professor of biblical interpretation), and it's all about Jesus, the evolutionary context.  "The world that Jesus entered into was seething with human longings, that showed in messianic dreams, millennial fantasies, apocalyptic desperation, mystical revelations, suicidal nationalism, religious critique and reform, reactionary rigidity, and a sense that time was collapsing, that the future was foreshortened, that the mystery of reality was about to be revealed.  In such a milieu the authenticity of Jesus was like a beacon that drew all mythological motifs to itself.  Incubating in the womb of that period was God’s rash gamble that humanity might become more humane."  When I read all that, I thought, "Hmm, that is what's going on now".  And so Jesus came into that apparent mess.  He talks about a rash gamble or a quantum leap of providence, the beginning of the collapse of patriarchy, humanity at a new evolutionary threshold.  Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (who lived from 1881 to 1955) said, "Humanity has just entered what is probably the greatest transformation it has ever known...something is happening in the structure of the human consciousness. It is another species of life that is just beginning.  An actual moment of readiness for incarnational affirmation and celebration, the myopic shortsightedness of the 2,000-year benchmark."
 
Canadian theologian Gregory Baum says, "God is what happens to a person on the way to becoming human".  That stuck with me, because in my experience, I had all this spiritual education, I found out who I was here on earth.  But it was all "up there", it was all theory, it was all wonderful, it was whatever.  So, "God is what happens to a person on the way to becoming human" really rang my chimes, and now I'm in the process of becoming more human.  Another good friend of mine here, Reverend Don MacGregor (author of Blue Sky God and others), has written a book in which he uses the phrase, "Jesus came to be a template.  He provided a template for human beings".  It wasn't meant to be the experience of just this one man 2,000 years ago, and everything was going to be done through him.  He came, and it was the template for how we were all supposed to be.  And that's just really got to me lately.  Walter Wink goes on, "The Human Being is a catalytic agent for transformation, providing the form and lure and the hunger to become what we are meant to be.  We are as yet fractions of our potential, mere apprehensions and approximations of humanness; what we will be has not yet been revealed...a species on the threshold of adulthood."  Now, this really is big for me at the moment.  Because, I knew all about being an angel; I knew all about being in heaven on earth, but I haven't really done enough work to get me into my humanness.  And I've been doing a lot of that lately.  I incarnated in a package--we all incarnated in a package--and we're asked to reprove it, do something with it, purify it, use it! 

Now, this might be a bit of a side issue.  You asked me a question about spirituality.  There are myriad groups in this country that I know a lot about where, actually, the use of spirituality within is just to make humanness more comfortable, not to really allow them to experience a complete transformation.  So, a lot of the groups and things are just making people feel comfortable where they are, and that's not what I'm about.  My friend, theologian and author Matthew Fox, recently attended a conference at Findhorn on Christ Consciousness, and the whole theme was to inhabit Christ consciousness, not talk about it.  You're in it!  You're in it.  We're in it and we need to go deeper into it, and that became apparent at Findhorn.  I want to be around people who know that.  I think the atmosphere that one provides can make people feel, see and know that there is another level of function; there's another level of atmosphere; there's another level of being together.  So, spirituality...it's almost a buzzword.  You either express fine spirit--spiritual expression--or you don't.

Stewart: I couldn't agree more, and someone I was talking with a month or two ago was saying the same thing about spirituality being a buzzword, and we were wondering, "Well, what can we call it, this experience?"  I suggested that it was an experience at a different level of being, and he said--or we agreed--what about just "being"?

Tessa: Yes.  When you said the word "being", that's the word I want--not spirituality--because it's such a buzzword, whereas, if I am being--do you remember the movie "Being There", with Peter Sellers?  I mean, the character he played actually might've seemed to be a little odd--"a sandwich missing from the picnic"--but he was being there, and look what happened to him.  So, I'm very interested in being.  And of course, I want to be with people who understand what being is, and being there together.  I had an extraordinary experience today because a friend with whom I have a weekly conversation and I started talking about our experience of opening our hearts more: being there, being together.  And you could suddenly feel, frankly, the union of masculine and feminine, and us coming together, and our moving together gave birth to something.  But something happened between us in one accord and in one place, and you could really FEEL the communion.  And that's what I want.  I'm frankly not very interested in organization at all, but I want to be with people who're happy to be with one accord in one place.  People take part in lots of spiritual groups, and you can go to all the workshops you like, but actually, what's changed?  What's really changed?  Because of the experience I've been through recently, my whole being is changing.  There are so many groups.  Maybe it's all fine; maybe everyone's doing what they need to do at a level where they are, and it's all evolving into a big, fat, lovely pyramid of substance.

Stewart: That's beautiful, the way you put it, Tessa.  I know what you mean about people doing what they need to where they're at.  Many people I know who were much more engaged in spiritual programs years ago have gone on to teach--some were even teaching back then too.  Others are life coaches or work in the financial world, the medical profession, things like that.  These are ways to connect with people and with things at an earthly level.  There's a wide spectrum of function, so it's perfectly great for some people to have a greater interest in how life works whereas others may not.  It works because we're interconnected.  And we have this great human facility where we can bring to focus whatever needs to be brought to focus in the moment, be it spiritual, physical, mental, emotional.  It just takes being open to the direction of the compulsion of love, which is our true nature.  One could even say our Source is Love; sometimes people say God is Love.  As you said, it's great to be educated and learn how to use our facility at all levels, including the spiritual, but the point is to live and to live creatively, so I really think this is what's happening now with people who are awake to it and people who want to be awake to it, because there's something to be done, and frankly, in myself I feel the call to be present, and I feel life needs us to do something.  It can be in specific acts, but what about the planet overall, the earthly system?  I don't know if we're fully aware of it, but I think we will be as consciousness clarifies and lightens, and the blockages between people dissolve and disappear.  I think it'll take that for us to become more aware of a collective purpose, but bits and pieces are coming, I think.


OPEN by mag3737, Flickr Creative Commons

Tessa: I think bits and pieces are coming.  For me and my own life at the moment, I've had three experiences recently in which my heart was cracked open--I mean big time. And I can feel that it's the future for me: I need to have my heart cracked open.  In the King Arthur story, he had to get the sword out of the stone, the stone being a rock-hard heart.  The package I incarnated into was such that I didn't feel very much, I virtually had no parents, I had to take care of myself, and so I was being very defensive and protective, and of course now, I'm really experiencing much more opening of my heart.  Well, I may have been all the things in the past--leadership, spirit this and spirit that, but I think my next step is really opening my heart.  I had an interaction with somebody recently who, in my judgment, made a huge mistake in connection with me.  We got into a conversation, and in the beginning, this person refused to admit that they goofed, even though I kept asking them, "Please look at this; just look at this".  We went back and forth like that, until suddenly the person said, "You know, Tessa?  I've just seen something.  You're absolutely right.  I goofed".  They had relented and apologised.  And I'll tell you, Stewart, as they admitted it and apologized, I cracked open.  I cracked open and cried.  And I felt love--not for the person, but the love between us--and I was a different person because of it.  It was communion.  I think we could make far better use of some of the ghastly situations we're in if each person holds to their truth.  We could really clear patterns that way.  Do you know anything about Constellation Work?

Stewart: No, I don't.

Tessa: We'll, I've just done a lot of Constellation Work now.  It's all about clearing patterns in one's family and in oneself.

Stewart: I thought I'd mention this poll I saw that the Gallup group did two years ago, which showed 16% of Americans don't identify with a specific religion, and that decreased identity in a certain religion has risen steadily from only 2% in 1950.  It could mean that more people have felt like their old religion wasn't doing it for them anymore; or they find it more useful to practice aspects of two or more different religions; that they have had a spiritual experience beyond religion; or that they aren't interested in following any transcendent path.  It could be some of any of those, but what I've seen is that more people are still interested in a closer connection with God or Source and in living more transcendent lives personally and with others.  Just last year, Gallup did another survey that showed more than 9 in 10 Americans continue to believe in God.  So, I think this is promising in terms of people being open to transcendent aspects of life, or Source, and a greater experience in them and between people.

Tessa: It's funny you should mention this, because Matthew was staying with author Rupert Sheldrake (new book is The Science Delusion), who's very hot on a book by Alain de Botton called "Religion for Atheists: A Non-believer's Guide to the Uses of Religion".  And he got Matthew excited about de Botton's book, which Matthew immediately went out and bought.  If you think about it, it's sort of like what you were saying.  I mean, if atheists believe there isn't a God, by somebody's terms, then what is this force behind life; what is it that made the universe?  This book, I believe, is going to be hot.  Matthew was fascinated by the idea of people beginning to think about, if you're an atheist, what about religion, what about God, what about this, what about that?  I have some friends, and their whole thing is Catholic and their whole thing is God.  They don't go to church at all, but they would say they believed in God.  Well that's a nice idea, but in your terms and mine, how does that really translate into a life in the world?  But you see, if you go back to the original premise that we knew, can one actually say, "I am divine, and I am here that they might have life and have it more abundantly"?  Well, that sounds like a really good, arrogant statement--but that's what we're here for.  I myself recently went to an Anglican communion service and experienced so much surrender to the larger order.  I looked around the room, and before, I would've said, "God, there isn't anyone here who's under 80 years old!  And the church is doomed", and all of that.  But I tell you, there's an essence in the middle of it that's undeniable, whatever words you want to call it.  And there's talk in England that people have forgotten about God, that they don't know anything about spirituality, and they're completely obsessed with consumerism.  Wait 'till you see the DVD "Thrive"...you'll see what I mean; it's an interesting one.  Maybe there has to be the death of the old religion and a new "something" emerges out of the ashes.

Stewart: What I take from what you have just been saying and also my thoughts about the surveys--not only my thoughts, but my experience and the experience of others these days--is that this seems to be a time when belief has less power.  I think it's probably a combination of our willingness to let it be so and perhaps the compulsion of life itself--just the cycles of life, perhaps what needs to happen now or what is happening now--kind of conspiring or uniting to make it easier for us to let go of beliefs that I've held in the past, that others have held.  So, it seems to me to be more indication that the experience now is one that is less of belief and more of experience.  And that could be borne out by what you were saying about your friends who perhaps believe in God, or have an experience of that, but not in the old way.

Tessa: It might be...it might be.  I mean, we've spoken of living beyond belief, and if the friends I just spoke of are having an experience beyond belief, I have not given them the benefit of that doubt.  I've just assumed, "Oh yes, you're Catholic and you believe in this, this and this".  How do I know what happens to them when they go on their knees?  I tell you, I've been very arrogant about people in the church, until just recently, when I had a profound experience for myself of experience, not belief.

Stewart: You told me that you attended a conference in South Africa on the creative field that exists between people; collective awareness and energy; evolution of consciousness; and a critical mass of intention that transforms the world.


Green Field by neosnaps, Flickr Creative Commons

Tessa: It was borne out of my favorite Rumi poem:

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing
there is a field
I'll meet you there.
And when the soul lies down in that grass, the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase each other doesn't make any sense.
-Jalal al-Din Rumi

So, Field, with a capital F, and we all need to live in the same Field; it really happened in South Africa.  It was even more meaningful for me, being South African-born, because it was black and white leaders together.  Now, in my dreams, I never dreamt that that kind of thing could happen.  It was fabulous, absolutely fabulous.  But the creative field experience, to get into the Field together--I would say, get into the Nameless Reality beyond ALL our religious pathways--Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Buddhist, Catholic together--and being with one accord in one place, amazing things can happen.  It was a profound conference.

Stewart: That sounds wonderful, and I think there was a tagline on the flyer that said, "Embracing the wisdom inherent in all people".

Tessa: It was that, and of course when you're in that Field, you do embrace the wisdom in all.

Stewart: One other line was, "A critical mass of intention that transforms the world".  We could even talk about intention, but critical mass...that's an interesting idea.  I think it does take that...

Tessa: Yes it does...

Stewart: ...to let there be a greater change.

Tessa: Well, of course, if you get a higher frequency, then you've got a different vibratory rate. 

Stewart: And it does take that different vibratory rate.  You can have a majority of people in the world who believe in something, but if it doesn't relate to the truth, then it doesn't really hold weight.  For me, it's all about the quality of being that's expressed in action, thought or feeling.  And so, even if there is just one person in the midst who is revealing true character, that has an impact, even if there are a whole bunch of people around who think the person's wrong, which goes back to what you were saying about the person who refused to admit that they goofed.

Tessa: Yes, exactly.  But the fact is, get the intention right, get the critical mass right--I mean, even in a minor way at the Findhorn gathering, when Matthew Fox gave his talk, he had 300 people who gave him a standing ovation.  Now, something must've happened to get them up on their feet for a standing ovation!  So, suddenly they're into a different vibratory rate entirely, and that's the purpose of being together: to get the vibratory rate up, to go to a different frequency.  And when you're up in that frequency, there is no illness.  Well, in other words, it's a very different place from the one we normally live in.

Stewart: That's wonderful.  You were mentioning illness.  People struggle with disease and environmental problems, and there's so much battle between different factions of government, but as I think you were suggesting, so much of that trouble and so many of the human problems would probably just evaporate if we look at intention and ask what is most important in the creative field that we're in.  I think that, just by being open to let these more transcendent levels of being manifest through us in our living, and sharing that experience between us--like what you were saying about the people who gave Matthew the standing ovation--that beautiful life energy itself, and the action of that energy, draws us to a level where "greater works" are truly possible, and a lot of these problems don't seem to be problems anymore.

Tessa: One gets into a space where one's heart is so full, and the energy is there, and if you could only stay there for longer, and start living out of that place for longer, everything changes.

Stewart: Thank you, Tessa--it's been a real pleasure!  And I look forward to Part Two.  If anyone would like to comment on any of what we've shared, we welcome any and all where it says "comments" below, whatever your experience, thoughts or sensings.

Reference:
Wink, Walter (2002), The Human Being: Jesus and the Enigma of the Son of Man.

The Dalai Lama and the World

I just saw a news story on how the Dalai Lama was on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight" and said, "The world belongs to humanity, not this leader, that leader, kings or religious leaders. The world belongs to humanity. Each country belongs essentially to their own people".

It's an important step to recognize, and it calls forth leadership--sovereign energy--in each one, partly so there isn't codependency between people and their government.

I might go a step further and say the world actually belongs to the One or Source that created humanity and the world.  That would make me responsible to something greater.  For me, it comes down to how I actually experience all this.  I find the quality of my connection with God and the quality of my connections with people I know combine to create a new experience of life that transcends codependency and brings something into the world, rather than having to have something belong to me.

Further Thoughts on Connections With God

Having a connection with God, or with who or what may be the source of one's being and of life, can give a person greater assurance and a better understanding of how life works, and of the context in which it works on earth.  But for me, what's important is to use my God-given talents here where I am, not to extend my thoughts and feelings to someone or something seemingly far away.  If heaven exists at another level of being, I don't think those who are there need any help.  It's here on earth where there has often been a lack of the real working of love, truth, reality, purpose, coordination, control, and where there continues to be war, hate, greed and isolation.  I find this is why we're here.  If you want a purpose, here's one, and I know that many of you who read my blog have been doing this for years: letting the spirit of God within find expression and manifestation in all that we do, think, and feel, and letting that happen between us.  And that will have its natural effect.  If you think of yourself as an aspect of God, or finding your connection in the Source of Life, you'd probably say that a large part of what flows through you as a human being is of that divine character, and it carries the tone or quality of what's not only highest and finest but wisest, and it allows vision of what might be most useful for your surrounding world.

Why else would we be here?  I don't think we're living on earth just to have a good time, though this life can be very enjoyable!  It's clear to me that we're here to do something, individually and together.  I think our collective purpose includes caring for the earth and helping it achieve its full potential, whatever that might be, but I have no doubt that the overarching need right now is for people to find ways to experience greater oneness and coordination so that we're much better able to allow our collective purpose to manifest through us.  And I find that, by allowing my own consciousness to clarify and by allowing the aperture of my spiritual "lens" to focus more accurately--widening or narrowing as needed--it makes it easier to connect with others who're doing likewise.  In fact, it doesn't take great effort.  In releasing the old and unreal, the new and real appear, and they've been there all along.  I think life is supposed to be easy, but human beings have been making it hard--which is stupid, and that's probably one reason why human life spans may seem short.  There are records in the Bible, if you believe them, of people in the distant past living a thousand years.  Maybe if we "return" to living in such a way that we allow the spirit of Life to manifest through us in greater measure, one eventual benefit might be that it renews and regenerates the human body through which it finds form more radically and allow it to serve us longer.

So, back to the connection with God.  God does not command us to love Him/Her/Them--at least, I've never gotten that impression.  That would seem to contradict the evidence that the nature of love is unconditional; it inspires us to respond in kind if we're so moved and if we find agreement in that love.  However, it's unthinkable for me not to have a conscious personal connection with God--at least, as much as I'm able to right now, given the current human condition--because for me, connecting with God, and allowing what I know and sense through that to find form through me, provides a greater context for my life and allows greater understanding of how life works: the bigger picture.  That connection involves the transpersonal and allows a greater vision of how life in its fullness can be.  And if other people are aligning with the same Source, then we are together.  There is oneness, coordination, and a fulfilment of purpose, not to mention that it's easier for us to get along!  Humankind, or at least a substantial part of it, must yield to the reality that it's here for a greater purpose, and I think that if it doesn't acknowledge that purpose and achieve it, humankind will eventually become irrelevant and will perish, as individual humans have been "naturally" perishing after a hundred or so years of life.  We've already seen evidence of environmental neglect, pollution, "natural" disasters, famine, and possibly overpopulation, not to mention the remaining spectre of war.

We human beings, who are so marvelously created, are capable of so much more.  But it takes me being open to inspiration from Source, which comes from "within", AND my being open to the aspect of God that YOU bring, that you share with me and others!  Aligning with the tone of the spirit that flows from Source, what we do can't help but carry a natural blessing that extends through all that we do, and to the people we're with.  The blessings we share on this beautiful earth generate the framework for a new reality of love, truth and life, and that framework allows us to achieve greater works.   

May I, may we, so live that the power, the energy, which flows from the Source of life may be received and used wisely in full and accurate manifestation through thought, feeling and action, that this manifestation in the world and between us may generate a creative field in which we may do what we're here to do.  And may I do this now.  Life is generous, and it seems more and more people are awakening to life's purposes and are fulfilling them, but I also sense that isolation that still exists within humankind could have disastrous consequences.

Must We Love God? And If So, What's The Best Way To Do That?

I think the answer to the first question is, it depends.  First, it depends on whether you believe in God (or Source, Life, or whichever name or term you prefer), or if you've experienced God's working in your life.  We all have free will.  We can decide if we'll love God, or if we let ourselves be moved to do that, and no one can force another person to love God.  It's one of the most personal relationships we'll ever have.

What got me started thinking about this?  About two months ago, I was still experiencing some depression related to the passing of a close friend, and I realized that I was still in that somewhat foggy state and that I hadn't been thinking about God much or communing with God much.  It reminded me of other times in the past when I'd done that much more.  Another reason why I started thinking about this is that I was remembering an incident a few years back when I was talking with a friend and mentioned a passage in the Bible, where it basically says, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God" with all of one's being, and how when I mentioned that to my friend, she was really opposed to that idea--that wasn't where she was at.  Maybe at the time that phrase was used several thousand years ago (according to the Bible), it was used because people were apparently worshipping many different gods, and the hope was that maybe a few people in even one country could stop being preoccupied with earthly things and desires and let there be space available in their awareness for a newer, clearer--even less superstitious--understanding of reality.  Of course, lots of people today are still preoccupied with money, treasures, sex, things like that.  But I also think there's no doubt that human consciousness has evolved or become considerably more enlightened since that far away time, though many of us sense we're capable of much greater awareness than we boast of now.

Many of us have probably been in a relationship, or relationships, where we gave our whole heart to the one we loved.  It's a total giving of ourself.  And that yielding results in a beautiful oneness.  Of course, some co-dependency can enter into that kind of arrangement, and it helps if the head is screwed on straight if the heart is trying to lead the way, but things don't always line up so nicely that way, and I can think of times in the past when I let myself get carried.

Some people are more interested in Source than other people, and some people are more inspired to seek a closer connection with Source than others.  I think that's fine and part of the way things are.  We all have different parts to play and different things to focus our life energy on.  It could be either a person's natural design or how their awareness has developed; it's up to us to decide which.

As I said, loving God is one of the most personal things a person can do, one's personal relationship with the Source of being, the Source of life.  And how is that done?  An awareness of God and a desire to express love and thanks to that one or that energy can come out of the blue, at the most unexpected times.  It's something that springs forth from inside.  Or it might be inspired by nature, by a beautiful scene outdoors: by tall, majestic snow-covered peaks; or by a clear blue lake surrounded by green trees amidst silence except for the soft song of chirping birds and perhaps softly-buzzing bees roving from flower to flower.  The beauty of nature certainly inspires an appreciation for how life works, as does someone's smile, or a person's kind words or generous spirit, or sharing with someone heart-to-heart.  There are many levels of love that can be expressed toward the one who we sense is responsible for all the good and beautiful things we experience in the world.

We might praise the Creator with a song we sing.  Or by meditating, deliberately setting aside some time in our day to sit quietly and make space in consciousness to allow a greater understanding in heart and mind--even a greater sensing--of the gifts that life has brought us and is bringing us, and of how we're better able to receive the flow of life's energy in and through us if we open ourselves to that flow and meet it fully, knowing that we find part of our identity in it, and that it needs us to do our part in concert with it right where we are, with the people we're with, if we see that that would be creative for us.  The fire within our hearts recognizes and meets the fire that extends from the heart of creation at this time, for life's creative purposes, and in oneness, those purposes are achieved.

I find the more I'm aligned with Source, the less it becomes a mental exercise, and the more it becomes an active giving--an act of giving--one action, an active flow, an effortless radiant act.  And again, there are levels to this action.  One way is creating a ritual space in which to send up, or send out, one's love and thanks to the Creator of all and blessings to those around.  Another is giving thanks to the Source of life as we go about our daily tasks, with the sensing that what we do is for a purpose, because we're doing it with the life that's given us from Source, and we're using that power with the wisdom generated by years of learning how life works and how life is trustworthy, yet it requires that we trust it.

So, those are some of my thoughts.  What do you think, or what has your experience been with these things?

Interview with Ronald Polack, Part Two: Your Bio-Energy Field, the Magic of Healing, and the Need to Keep Evolving

Concluding my interview with Dr. Ronald Polack, who operates a vibrational healing practice in the Vancouver B.C. area, he talks more about the bio-energy field surrounding the human body; he gives examples of his healing successes; and he speaks about the connection between attitude and healing.

You mentioned last time that the bio-energy field is the first avenue of healing.  Maybe one reason why this is so is because it's at a higher vibrational level, one could say, or the energy is of a higher rate than perhaps the physical elements of the body are?

That's exactly right.  The energy's at a higher frequency in the bio-energy field, and it permeates the body by stepping down.  It's very similar to how electricity is fed around the country in wires at a high intensity but is then stepped down as it moves towards houses or businesses, and if you don't step it down, you're liable to set the house on fire.  So, it's not a negative thing, it's just accommodating what needs to happen at the lower level.  And the lower level--not the lesser level, but the lower level in this case--is the physical body and the mind.

When we're talking about the bio-energy field, could a crude way to describe it be the aura?

Yes, the aura is something that people talk about if they have the ability to see them.  It's obvious that some people are visually sensitive; they can see the aura around other people, as well as feel it.  I'm not sure how they do that because I don't necessarily operate on a visual level.  I'm more on a contact level with hands and heart.


"candle light" by c'est la Viva, Flickr Creative Commons

What fascinates you most about the healing process as it relates to your clients?

As much as I've worked in this field--and it's been many years--it never becomes commonplace or less of a joy to see the change that can happen in people through this kind of healing, and I think that's true of any kind of healing.  Someone might be working in rehab with people who have some serious physical injury, and there's nothing that brings greater joy than to see health return to that person, and vibrancy as well.  It's just a great thrill that doesn't relate to any particular condition.  Sometimes it's more dramatic than others.

I recall that a client and student of mine asked if they could bring a close friend in to see me; there's a record of this in my book "Vibrational Vitality".  It was a woman in her 40s, and the background was that she'd been in the hospital with severe abdominal pain for two weeks, and they couldn't pinpoint anything that was wrong, but she was in pain and they couldn't do anything for her.  So, my client got her out on the weekend for a short reprieve from the hospital and practically carried her into my office, and the two of us worked with her, probably for about an hour and a half, and when she woke up she was free of pain.  She was very weak because she'd been sick for a while, but to hear about her particular experience in consciousness during that hour and a half, she wasn't aware of us at all, and she had a whole experience where she moved through what you might call an emotional swamp, a very deep thing, and came out at the other end having experienced a visualization and feeling now that it wasn't all hopeless.  And her report on that is just absolutely amazing.  Well, that was a great joy, because in actual fact, the way she was going--she knew it and her friend knew it--she wouldn't be alive very much longer until something happened, and what happened was what happened in my office.

That's beautiful, Ronald, and wonderful to hear that.  What do you think are the most important attitudes for someone to have if they're receiving an energy healing treatment?

I think openness is the key thing.  A person might come to me feeling a lot of discomfort, a lot of pain, but if for whatever reason they're uptight and closed and just won't release anything of themselves, there's not that much that's going to happen.  But if a person is open and receptive to something new happening, it usually does.  Someone said, "It's like faith healing; people have to have faith".  Well, if faith is openness and a trust in the larger picture, then okay, call it faith, whatever you like, but it is an openness for something greater--something more--to happen.  And I think that should be characteristic of us in the way that we live, eh?

I agree, and so not only is there faith given, but there's also the direct connection between your healing energy and a person's chakras and bio-energy field.  So it's not just faith, it's the action that's happening, isn't that right?

That's right.  I use this quite a lot with people and with myself: there are two three-letter words which contain a lot from the standpoint of healing, whether I'm receiving a healing or offering a healing.  One of the key words is "let", a very powerful word.  Three letters, l-e-t, let it happen.  And the opposite of that is "try", t-r-y.  If I'm working with someone and, even if I try because I want so much to relieve that situation that they're experiencing, "try" just shuts off the flow.  "Let" opens the door, you know?  Simple little words.


"Open the door of your mind and see the light" by Pete Peaks, Flickr Creative Commons

The idea I get is that vibrational healing can be a little like being the helmsman or helmswoman of a ship.  Just a small correction by the helmsman can turn a large, multi-ton vessel in another direction.  It seems to me that, if a person has a health issue at whatever level, or wants to maintain good health, making small corrections through vibrational healing early may be wiser and more cost-effective than dealing with expensive medical procedures in the future.

I think you're right, and I think that part of why medical costs everywhere are just going out of control is because people have been taught to lean on, or be looked after by, somebody else.  But taking responsibility in a vibrational way, in a way of attitude, a way of doing whatever you can to keep your atmosphere--your field--clear is a personal responsibility which requires a choice, and we all have that choice if we awaken to it.  You know, we don't have to be led along by the crowd, and we don't have to necessarily depend on someone else who's going to provide the gold-plated answer for us.  It's up to us!  I also think it's wonderful to be able to feel what's going on and see what your own thoughts and feelings are saying to you during a healing session.  That can be quite miraculous.

Yes, in the end I think we each know best, if we're tuned into what's happening with us--with our body, heart, mind, our spirit--then we may have some sensing about which direction it would be beneficial for us to move in next, and joining with you can speed up that process, I think.

I think it does, often, you know.  For years, I've had people come to me with a physical problem that was painful and limiting, and we concentrated--at least from their standpoint and partly from mine--on clearing that.  And then a month later, their spouse would say to me, "Well, I know that they're certainly feeling better, but they're a whole different person to live with" (laughs).  And magical things happen.  They're magical in that we don't understand how they happen, but they're perfectly natural, because the healing is not just affecting the body.  It's also affecting the mind and the attitude.

That's right, Ronald, I think one facility a healer has is the facility to reveal magic, the magic of life.  Actually, I think we all do, but it may relate to healers a little more, or I've gotten that impression.  I might define magic in this context as the action of revealing reality despite the appearance of illusory factors.

Yes, the words are well said, and everybody has this ability.  Everybody has the ability to run, at least when they're young enough, which doesn't mean that everybody's going to be a great runner.  Everybody has this ability to heal, and they need to be aware of that and their influence with other people, but some will have kind of a special gift that they can do marathons instead of just walking around the block, and some of them have the ability to really extend this healing influence to others, and that's a great thing.

How deep do you think healing can go; how far can it extend?  I would say all the way, especially if we experience elements of that oneness you were talking about, or if a person believes in oneness.  However, it seems there are also some limitations in the human world or the human body because of the current state of consciousness.

There are obvious limitations to human consciousness, which is why we all individually and together need to keep evolving, and that will have an influence on what happens with the individual.  I don't think we're in a perfect state yet; at least, that's not what I see evidence of.  But I do see a lot of people who are awakening in consciousness and becoming aware of how things work.  Even though someone may be at the top of their game, energy wise, they'll still be somewhat limited by the state of the whole body of mankind, but I wouldn't call it a terrific limitation.  Let's go to the limits of what the collective human body is allowing, and let's go the limits and affect that whole body energy in a positive way.

Speaking of humankind and the way things work, I find it's becoming increasingly evident that there's an interconnectedness between people.  We just have to get together to realize it or to see it in action.

Yes, I think that's true; let's use that as an intention.  You know, "It's already there; what can we do to let it be realized?"

Dr. Ronald Polack operates his practice at Tsawwassen in the Vancouver, B.C., area.  In addition to healing sessions, he offers distance healing.  To schedule an appointment or to order his book or CD, log onto his website http://www.ronald-healing.com/

What do you think about vibrational healing, or what has your experience with it been?  Feel free to leave a comment below on anything we've said here or on any thoughts you have about this.

Interview With Ronald Polack: Your Bio-Energy Field, Healing, and Oneness

31 years after I first interviewed longtime friend Dr. Ronald Polack at a small radio station in B.C., Canada, about the upcoming 1981 Human Unity Conference in Vancouver, I thought it was about time to interview him again.  This time, we discussed his experience with his healing practice, which has evolved greatly from when he was a successful chiropractor in Toronto during the 1950s.  We discuss how he elicits healing through contact with his clients' bio-energy fields, including the chakras and endocrine glands; whether he notices any correlation between the energy needs of individual patients; and we touch on oneness, the state of the world, intuition, and our potential.

Tell me what you do.

I'm a vibrational healer, and I work with healing in the field of vibration.  I work with a client's energy field, and I understand from my experience that the energy field surrounding our bodies is connected with all parts of our body and the way they function cooperatively.  So if I find places where there are blockages, and things just don't feel right, then I just utilize my own radiation to help stimulate the return of the client's radiation.  And if that works out, then it's amazing; they get better from many conditions.

In your book "Vibrational Vitality", you say, "The bio-energy field is the first avenue of healing".  Can you describe the bio-energy field and why it's the first avenue of healing?

A person's bio-energy field--or just in short, their human energy field--surrounds their whole body and always has, even from before birth.  It's a vibratory frequency that is for the most part invisible, and it interacts with the whole body.  It has various levels to it which I won't go into, but the level closest to the body is called the etheric level, which you can pick up very strongly once you become sensitive to it, within three to four inches away from the skin of the body.  So that's the bio-energy field, and of course it surrounds the body, it's a part of a larger field, but it also penetrates the body and every organ, every cell.  And it's because there is this overall coordinating factor, this overall vibratory surround, along with the physiological nervous system and endocrine system, that's in my understanding really responsible for letting things work together in a coordinated way so that a person experiences health.  When there's a blockage to that, then something goes wrong in the body and they're not feeling so good.

You use your hands, don't you?

Yes, I use my hands as a contact point.  Now, I can touch certain contact points very lightly, and I do that with some specific connecting points, but then I spend most of the time working three to four inches above the body, away from the body, because I can feel the energy very clearly that way, and the exchange or the effect of that works as a kind of catalyst and stimulates a person's own chakra energy to come up to par.

So, the way to step down this power that is within one's being and relates to the bio-energy field is through the chakras and perhaps the endocrine glands?  Can you describe what those are and how they differ?

The chakras--it is an ancient Indian term--have been recognized by spiritual people for years, and they are power stations within a person's bio-energy field.  There are actually many, many chakras in relationship to one human body, but there are seven major ones, and they're called the seven chakras.  And yes, they will naturally operate very directly to the endocrine system or the hormone system and the nervous system, because those are the systems within the body that carry out this coordination coming from the energy field.

Would you say, Ronald, that the energy that moves through the chakras and which can be perceived through the chakras may be at a higher level or vibrational rate than through the endocrine glands?  Do the endocrine glands mainly carry out the needs of life in the body, or is it just a kind of a difference of tone in terms of energy between the chakras and endocrine glands?

I think you could say it either way, Stewart.  Obviously, it's a different frequency, and I would guess as you have that the frequency of the endocrine glands is lower than that of the energy field, and what happens in the endocrine glands is they translate the message within the energy and produce and secrete hormones.  And it's the hormones that circulate through the body that provide a controlling influence on every organ and every cell.

One way a person can test or notice the energy that surrounds one's body, maybe even the bio-energy field, is by holding one's hands about a foot apart, holding them there for maybe half a minute, and then slowly moving the hands together and then apart by just an inch or two.  And if a person's sensitive, usually they can feel the energy in between.

Yes, that's right, and it's interesting how insensitive we are until we begin to awaken and try these things.  And holding the hands together like that at various distances apart and moving them a little bit, you become aware that there is something in between, something moving, and the longer you stay with that radiant something, the stronger or clearer it gets.  And that's a beautiful way to introduce energy, the bio-energy field, to people who are just wanting to become aware.

Speaking of sensitivity, it's not unusual after a person's first Vibrational Healing experience for them to comment, "Do you have your table wired?  Because I felt a warmth, seemingly from the table, and I also felt tingling in parts of my body", or a comment like that.  Each person will feel something different, and that will change on future healings.

That's wonderful.  As you mentioned, there are seven major chakras, and I was interested to learn that there are roughly 30 total and that the word chakra comes from the Sanskrit word meaning "wheel" or "circle", which indicates to me movement, movement of energy, part of our circulation.

Yes, the chakras move.  When the chakras don't move, you know there's some real trouble.  When you work with a person and it seems like things are static, then I stay with that chakra connection until I feel things moving.  And they move in sort of a circular, spiral motion.  Another interesting thing about the seven major chakras is that each of them carry a slightly different frequency, and that frequency can be identified with particular colors.  The root chakra below the pelvis is red, and as you go up the ladder through the body, you get the pelvic chakra, which is an orange vibration; the solar chakra is a yellow vibration; and the heart chakra--I love this one--the heart chakra is a beautiful green.  The throat chakra is blue, and then you get all the way up into the crown chakra at the top of the head and you get into the purples and the violets.  And that's the way the color spectrum works, isn't it?  The fact that that's been identified with chakras makes me smile.

 
chakra 3 by jp512, Flickr Creative Commons

Have you noticed if the energies from any particular chakras in people in general make themselves known to you or need more work, or is it a very individualistic kind of thing?

I think it's quite individualistic, although with the world as it's moving now, including the economy and state of world affairs, there's a great deal of anxiety around.  And anxiety, which is a level of fear, you'll pick that up more in the solar chakra and the pelvic chakra, as it relates to the adrenal glands and the pancreas, which secretes a hormone opposite to what the adrenal glands secrete.  That's kind of the stress area that shows up, and generally speaking, because we're sensitive to what's going on, we all pick up a bit of that.  Some of us handle it better than others do.  For some, it just throws them into depression; for others, it throws them into panic.  There's a lot of pressure in the world because we're in a state of upheaval and transition, and I would like to emphasize transition; I think there's a possibility that we're really going somewhere.

I agree.  That's not only my sensing but my experience, partly through my own experience and also relating with other people; I can feel it, and others can too--and not only feel it but see it in our relationships, one with another.

You might say that we're all part of the one body of mankind, and if you put all of these bio-energy fields together--I mean, you don't have to put them together, they are together--we're all one.  People have spoken about oneness for years, but it's beginning to become more of a scientifically-proven fact.  So, there is a general pattern that's going on in the world that all of us share, and I share that too.  So that's at work when we work with vibrational healing.  But for the individual, there are specific needs, specific things that crop up in their energy field which are individual to them.  So, it's both very personal and also very general.

Yeah, it makes sense to me that if my personal bio-energy field is in a healthy state and if there is a connection or oneness between the personal bio-energy field and perhaps the collective bio-energy field of people in the world, then it's got to have an effect.  And that's probably one way to lift consciousness; that might be one way to put it.  It seems logical to me.

It's logical to me, and I really do feel that it's happening on the planet, with all of the things that're happening with people taking responsibility and waking up and sometimes it's sort of revolutionary, or you know, coming together against a corrupt government--things like that.

I think there are a lot of skeptics who doubt that vibrational healing works, and they might say that only the practice of medicine at a physical level helps heal.  What would you say to them?

Well, what can you say; I mean, it's a matter of deep, deep programming, and I don't necessarily criticize people for feeling that way.  They're a product of their environment and their experience, and frankly I grew up in this world too and was subject to that kind of medical and pharmaceutical approach that "everything that's wrong with you came from outside, and we're going to treat it by putting something inside to fix it", and that's very strong with people.  When you talk about engaging my energy with your energy in order to provide healing, it doesn't make any sense because of programming.  But you know, Stewart, the perfect example of normal, natural vibrational healing is if a child falls and hurts itself and runs to mother or father and is picked up and held in the arms of a loving parent.  And it's amazing what healing of injury that might have occurred, particularly the emotional upset, it's amazing how quickly that can clear when that enfoldment in the larger healing field of an adult is provided.  And there's a perfect example of healing there.  But if a person is died-in-the-wool and doesn't want to open up to anything else, that's fine; let them live their life as they feel is their wont, you know?  I'm not about to criticize.  This whole field is natural to me, and I've been working in this field for a little over 50 years, and it's just so natural, but I don't expect everybody else to understand it.

I was going to say I'm a believer, but I try to have as few beliefs as possible, so I guess what I would say is that I know from experience.  I really enjoyed the session that you had with me last summer.  It helped me a lot and I enjoyed it; I felt better afterward.  Could you give another example of how someone else has been helped through one of your healing sessions?

It's quite variable.  I work with a lot of conditions that people bring in to me because I guess they're not getting results somewhere else.  I just work the same way.  I might get, you know, more specific with the pelvis and legs if someone's got sciatica, or with stomach trouble I may spend a little more time there.  But generally my work is not so much therapeutic, in the sense of, "there's something wrong here, I'm going to fix it".  I work perceiving the person's energy field and working with various contact points that can give me an idea of a balance and clarity.  And then I spend radiant time with each of the chakras, so that I can feel that they're moving freely.  And that essentially is what provokes the healing, because you're able, with the client's cooperation, to remove blockages that may exist in the energy field, and as those blockages are removed, then things change in their body and they feel differently.

Because we're working with the whole body's health and the bio-energy field relates to the whole body, it's interesting the various things that people bring in with them but actually usually brings them in, anywhere from neck and back problems or joint pain, headaches, anything where there's a buildup of stress, uptightness, blood pressure, sciatica, digestive situations.  I've worked with leukemia in cooperation with the medical procedure, which worked out quite successfully.  And one of the places where I've found some of the most dramatic results with this vibrational healing is when people have undergone surgery.  In any surgery involving the body, the energy field is traumatized.  And that's not a bad thing if the surgery is needed.  But I've been called in to hospitals quite often to work with people right after surgery and I find, they find--the nurses and doctors find--that the healing rate of these people is greatly speeded up compared with people who don't, because if no one is working with the energy field, then the trauma from the surgery might be there for quite a while and might never go away.  It's just an experience I've had which is quite remarkable.

How would you describe your own purpose or purposes in life, and what gifts do you feel you offer others?

I feel that I'm here to take advantage of being alive and therefore living my life day to day, moment by moment, to the best of my ability.  I'm also interested in learning how to increase that ability as I go along; it's an evolving thing.  And I like to feel that that is being a responsible citizen of the planet.  As you can see in many fields, if people felt more responsibility for each other and for the planet, we wouldn't be into the environmental things that have now occurred that we're trying to correct.  So, it's the responsibility; my responsibility is to do the best that I can with what I've got, you know, learn how to let it grow.

What do you think of the world's potential and of the potential of people in it?

I think we've got a long way to go, and I think the sky's the limit.  If you look at the 50 trillion individual human tissue cells that make up our bodies--about 50 trillion, which is a great number--and how they can work together, each doing their different jobs, the liver doing the liver cell jobs and the kidneys and the kidney cell jobs and how they can be coordinated together to act as one, then why should we have so much trouble getting just seven billion people working together?  And I think that's maybe the goal.  Maybe that's the aim, and okay, we've got a long way to go--let's go there (chuckles), you know?

Left: Konark Chakra - Wheel of Life by yindian, Flickr Creative Commons
Right: NASA's Hubble Sees A Majestic Disk of Stars by NASA Goddard Photo and Video, Flickr Creative Commons

I agree, and a person could also look at the order in the cosmos or our solar system with the constellations all around and the orderly movement of the sun, the moon, our planet; there's an order there.

That's right, so being responsible, I think we touch into something that lets us do something as human beings cooperatively.

Yeah, that's something I was thinking about earlier.  It's good to have good health--I think we all want that--but a person could say, "Why should I have that?"  Maybe I could say that's my right, or my birthright, or that's the natural state.  But if I have health, how do I use it?  What do I do with it?

Yeah, that's right, I don't think it's just for you (laughs), you know?

If you could say one thing to people, what would it be?

Wake up to what's going on; wake up to the messages that're coming to you through your own intuition.  And start to live with a greater vision because of those two things.  In other words, you may look at what's going on and say, well, there's great need over there, or here, or where I am.  But if you listen to what's going on inside, you'll find the little acts, the little things to do that make a difference.

Dr. Ronald Polack operates his practice at Tsawwassen in the Vancouver, B.C., area.  In addition to healing sessions, he offers distance healing.  To schedule an appointment or to order his book or CD, log onto his website http://www.ronald-healing.com/

What do you think about vibrational healing, or what has your experience with it been?  I'm interested in hearing your comments below on anything we've said here or on any thoughts you have about this.